AAR - Rangemaster Advanced Instructor

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09-24-2023, 11:55 AM
Lon

AAR - Rangemaster Advanced Instructor

Awesome class. Got to witness a new Casino Drill record - 9.04.

https://gunsnobbery.wordpress.com/20...nstructor-aar/
09-24-2023, 12:16 PM
MVS

Nice. I don't remember all of those B-8's but that was 10 years ago and honestly my memory isn't what it used to be. 9.04 Casino drill. Wow! I remember when people were happy to make par on it. Good shooters have come a long way.
09-24-2023, 12:33 PM
Paul Blackburn

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Originally Posted by Lon

Awesome class. Got to witness a new Casino Drill record - 9.04.

https://gunsnobbery.wordpress.com/20...nstructor-aar/

Your time was quite impressive too!
09-24-2023, 01:14 PM
Lon

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Originally Posted by Paul Blackburn

Your time was quite impressive too!

Thanks!!
09-25-2023, 04:04 PM
Randy Harris

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Originally Posted by MVS

Nice. I don't remember all of those B-8's but that was 10 years ago and honestly my memory isn't what it used to be.

I took it in the 1st ever "invitation only" Advanced Instructor Class at the old Rangemaster "mothership" in Memphis in December of 2008- So... what...15 years ago?. The Casino Drill had not even been invented back then. Nor had the 5 yard Roundup. And I don't remember shooting much bulls eye target stuff in that class. It was primarily LE type Qual courses like the LAPD SWAT and the "Model Law Enforcement" course of fire. We also had William Aprill teach a block on gun disarms in case you needed to disarm a student who was being dangerously careless with their muzzle and Gerald Foon taught a block on "Tac Med" material in case of an injury on the range. But again that was the first ever run of it and things have changed since then.
09-25-2023, 04:23 PM
Randy Harris

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Originally Posted by Lon

Thanks!!

When you shot it with the 6,7,8 loaded mags did they time that? If so how were those times vs the "standard Casino Drill " times?
09-25-2023, 04:29 PM
Lon

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Originally Posted by Randy Harris

When you shot it with the 6,7,8 loaded mags did they time that? If so how were those times vs the "standard Casino Drill " times?

They weren’t individually timed. I’m curious enough I’m going to see if I can figure it out.
09-25-2023, 04:29 PM
Lon

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Originally Posted by Randy Harris

I took it in the 1st ever "invitation only" Advanced Instructor Class at the old Rangemaster "mothership" in Memphis in December of 2008- So... what...15 years ago?. The Casino Drill had not even been invented back then. Nor had the 5 yard Roundup. And I don't remember shooting much bulls eye target stuff in that class. It was primarily LE type Qual courses like the LAPD SWAT and the "Model Law Enforcement" course of fire. We also had William Aprill teach a block on gun disarms in case you needed to disarm a student who was being dangerously careless with their muzzle and Gerald Foon taught a block on "Tac Med" material in case of an injury on the range. But again that was the first ever run of it and things have changed since then.

Those sound like some interesting blocks of instruction.
09-25-2023, 04:42 PM
Randy Harris

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Originally Posted by Lon

Those sound like some interesting blocks of instruction.

Yeah it was good but PLEASE do not take what I said in any way to downplay the current class. I'm not one of these old curmudgeonly bastards who is all " well back in my day everything was better". It was just different and my class was the first iteration of it and it has grown and developed through the years. Tom doesn't create dogma to be worshipped. If something needs to be tweaked it gets tweaked and if something comes along that better fills a particular training objective he will add it.

I just don't want anyone to think my earlier post was in any way downplaying the current class. I've just been around a long time and the class is not the same as it was 15 years ago.
09-25-2023, 04:55 PM
Lon

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Originally Posted by Randy Harris

Yeah it was good but PLEASE do not take what I said in any way to downplay the current class. I'm not one of these old curmudgeonly bastards who is all " well back in my day everything was better". It was just different and my class was the first iteration of it and it has grown and developed through the years. Tom doesn't create dogma to be worshipped. If something needs to be tweaked it gets tweaked and if something comes along that better fills a particular training objective he will add it.

I just don't want anyone to think my earlier post was in any way downplaying the current class. I've just been around a long time and the class is not the same as it was 15 years ago.

I didn’t take it that way at all. Classes evolve. I’d be leery of a class that didn’t evolve over time.

I went back and watched those videos with a stop watch. My raw time on the regular drill was 10.24. Times for the 6/7/8 and backwards drills were between 11.5 and 12ish.