How can a gun store stay in business with that kind of law?Originally Posted by HCM
How can a gun store stay in business with that kind of law?
Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
Surprisingly, there are several well stocked gun stores in my area - both big box and local. They do a business. Folks just go through the motions. So it takes three trips - at least my FFL is next to a decent BBQ restaurant. I've been in stores with lines of folks making purchases.
Most common handguns are available. The obvious short falls are ARs as the standard guns are banned. The gun shows are rather lame though. One LGS did say that they took a hit when the age for a semi rifle moved up to 21 from 18. Seems the young guys liked them, even the Frankenstein AR types. The Ruger PCCs are quite popular though.
Ammo sales are time consuming horror. One old dude at the gun store said a major problem is that the old dude clerks aren't computer savvy and the new systems and requirements are confusing to them. Too many passwords and screens.
Cloud Yeller of the Boomer Age
Fewer gun stores than other places but they manage.
In most of the state (outside NYC) traditional long guns are normal DL/ID and 4473 transactions.
WNY might be unusual but - one Cabelas, 3 well stocked LGS in a half hours drive. Now San Antonio, a BP, Academy stores at most major North side intersections and scattering of LGS - some great, some Fudd-a-holes. The big difference is a shortage of modern ranges, lots of them in the SA area. Two mediocre ones around here close, one a bit of a drive, two you have to be an expensive member.
If the CCIA ever fell - one of those TX style mega modern ranges would take down the little guys.
Cloud Yeller of the Boomer Age
Well the lawyer is going with the Pat Rogers defense
https://abc7ny.com/amp/inna-vernikov...mber/14003572/
Her lawyer questioned the use of pictures of his client carrying a weapon as evidence, suggesting they may have been altered.
"In today's world of artificial intelligence, you can put anything on social media," Arthur Aidala said. "Rules of evidence are, it's a human being who has to make these descriptions, not based on what you see on a computer screen."
Vernikov's attorney says prosecutors will have to produce a witness and a ballistics test to prove the weapon actually works.
Alterations to digital images are forensically traceable. Social media companies strip out the underlying data for publicly facing images but the original exists and can be forensically examined.
Lets see how it goes. This should be interesting.
https://abc13.com/gun-charge-dropped...ael-/14076293/
Gun charge dropped against politician who brought weapon to Israel war protest
ByAaron Katersky ABCNews logo
Friday, November 17, 2023 1:30PM
Prosecutors have dropped a weapons charge against New York City Councilwoman Inna Vernikov, who showed up to counter protest a pro-Palestinian rally at Brooklyn College last month with a gun strapped to her hip, according to Brooklyn District Attorney Eric Gonzalez.
The gun was not loaded and was determined to be inoperable, prosecutors said.
"Peaceful protest is the right of every American, but bringing a gun to a protest is illegal and creates an unacceptable risk of harm that has no place in our city," a spokesman for Gonzalez said. "The firearm recovered by the NYPD in this case was unloaded and missing the recoil spring assembly, rendering it inoperable, according to the NYPD's lab report. In order to sustain this charge, it must be proven beyond a reasonable doubt that the weapon in question was capable of firing bullets. Absent such proof, we have no choice but to dismiss these charges."
Vernikov, a Republican who represents the south Brooklyn neighborhoods of Sheepshead Bay and Brighton Beach, was filmed at the Oct. 12 rally with a handgun in her pants. Although the councilwoman has a concealed carry permit, she violated the recently passed city law that prohibits civilians from bringing firearms to protests, police said.
The 39-year-old lawmaker was contacted by police the following day and she surrendered to police at the 70th Precinct. She was charged with criminal possession of a firearm.
"At no point in time was anyone menaced or injured as a result of her possessing the firearm at the earlier protest," the NYPD said in a statement at the time.
Vernikov, a Ukrainian immigrant who has been a staunch opponent of Palestinian rallies, posted a video of herself at the rally on X, formerly known as Twitter, claiming, "If you are here, standing today with these people, you're nothing short of a terrorist without the bombs." She still has the video pinned to the top of her account.
Her arrest had been referred to the City Council's Standards and Ethics Committee, of which she happens to be a member, for possible disciplinary action. Under New York law, a person convicted of a felony or misdemeanor can be barred from elected office.
That the gun was inoperable in such a manner when turned it, is interesting. Second, one wonders if the various political agendas and government types wanted to avoid a CCIA court challenge given Bruen. Thus, some machinations behind the scenes.
Might get her permit pulled. We will see. Disciplining her is another interesting political nuance tied into the outrage and demand discipline the antisemitic members of local NY politics and congressional reps.
There's more than meets the eye here. However, she should get her butt kicked by folks telling her how to conceal. No need to be stupid.
Brings back memories of the St. Louis housewife and AR toting husband. She claimed the gun she was waving was an inoperable legal exhibit and thus they got misdemeanors.
Cloud Yeller of the Boomer Age
So, when Glenn or I decide to break the law, and carry where we are not allowed to do so, as deemed by the State of NY, can we go home, swap mags, pop out the recoil spring, and mosey on into the local precinct the next day with counsel, and our now inoperable firearm? Which happens to still meet the state definition of firearm? I wonder if either of us would have the charges dropped.
Are two legs good right now, or is it four?
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